Sunday, March 29, 2020

Yes, Conservatism IS Compatible with Science Fiction

Got a comment on my last post that I think warrants an extended polite response, so -- here goes:

The first is the question of whether science fiction is welcoming to conservatives, particularly religious conservatives. The answer to that is probably "no," if only because SF takes global warming seriously, and virtually all near-future stories incorporate it.

Thanks for not being openly rude, Greg, but there are two things wrong with this comment.

First of all, it doesn't accurately reflect the current conservative position on global warming/climate change. Actually, as of today, there's a diversity of opinion on this side of the aisle on that particular subject, ranging from people who, yes, still don't believe global warming is real to those who acknowledge its existence yet reject the hair-on-fire extinction rhetoric and the statist assumptions that undergird the left's proposed solutions. I happen to fall into the latter category, as I've mentioned several times in the past -- and I'm far from alone. Many mainstream conservatives have been evolving on this in response to the evidence. We may not agree with the vocal activists in re: what to do about it, but that doesn't mean we're "deniers" or that we don't take the matter seriously.

Secondly, global warming is simply not what's making recent SF unfriendly to conservatives. How do I know that? Because all of my right-leaning acquaintances are fans of mid-20th-century SF that incorporates overpopulation and ecological disaster in its future histories. Heinlein's works, for example, are often based on those assumptions -- yet in my circles, Heinlein is almost universally revered. Clearly, something else is going on. Could it be that the style of presentation has changed -- has, in fact, become far more obtrusive, doctrinaire, and pessimistic? Could it be that the culture of fandom has become increasingly totalitarian and intolerant of reasonable differences of opinion?

On the religious side, I'm not sure SF can be welcoming to fundamentalists. I was raised Southern Baptist in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and I remember being told it was wrong to read science fiction because setting a story in the future meant you didn't believe Jesus was coming soon.

With all due respect, this is your personal experience of one particular religious community. It's not representative of religious people as a whole. I belong to a group of writers who are conservative and, for the most part, religious, and none of us believe it's wrong to read science fiction because "SF ignores that Jesus is coming soon." As a matter of fact, a number of us are writing science fiction with clear religious undertones (which, if you examine the actual history of science fiction, is certainly not impossible). And that's not because we belong to non-orthodox, liberal sects. Many of us are observant Catholics, in fact. The Catholic Church is certainly not known for its progressivism, as I'm sure you'll agree -- yet the Vatican has an astronomer and has entertained the possibility of extraterrestrial life. (Would we baptize an alien? If the alien asked, sure!)

In broader terms, SF caters to people who're interested in reading about how things might change. Conservatives, by definition, are people who resist change, so, again, it's hard to see how SF can appeal to very many conservatives.

As Chris L. has already observed, this is a stereotypical, oversimplified view of conservatism. Edmund Burke, a critical intellectual forefather of the tradition we recognize in America as conservative once wrote that "a State without the means of some change is without the means of its conservation." But Burke and other conservatives would further add that one shouldn't change just for change's sake. The reasons for change, we argue, should be rational and powerful, and the methods of change should be prudent -- or, as G.K. Chesterton (another favorite of religious conservatives in particular) once wrote:
In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.
At this very moment, for instance, the world is being forcefully reminded why competing national entities have historically erected hard borders around their lands. As it turns out, there are solid evolutionary reasons why humans would want to restrict movement between groups. If you refuse to grapple with that reality -- well, the news makes the consequences plain. And we conservatives argue that this need for circumspection holds for any supposedly "irrational" tradition. If you want to change something, we say, slow down a bit, try to understand why that cultural oddity exists in the first place, and make sure you're not removing something that's truly needed without providing a suitable replacement. We "resist" change -- but only in the sense that, again, we wish changes to be carefully considered and not precipitous.

And personally? I find your comment above so strange given that every self-identified righty I know is insanely excited about the space program -- to the point that we gleefully squealed and kicked our feet when Trump mentioned a manned mission to Mars in his 2020 SOTU. We're not interested in the future? A likely story!

I'm glad we agree on cardboard apocalyptic fiction at least, but you might want to talk to more conservatives before making such broad pronouncements about what we think. Lots of us would fit in fine in SF -- and once did.

8 comments:

  1. Wow. I inspired a whole article. And such a polite one too! Let's see if I can write a good (if, perhaps rambling) response for you.

    First, I think we're only talking about SF/F readers here. I freely concede that SF/F fandom is heavily dominated by people from the looney left. But books don't get published to please them. (Good thing--they cannot be pleased.) Publishers publish the books they think will sell, and that's going to be based on what they think the market is like.

    I'm also not trying to say that all conservatives or all Christians have the same opinions. But if half of potential conservative readers reject SF/F because of global warming, and half reject it because of the Second Coming, and half reject it because they don't want to read about changes, then (assuming statistical independence) you've lost almost 90% of your base group.

    That would be consistent with the fact (if it is a fact--my focus is short SF, not novels) that book publishers don't produce much that caters to modern conservative readers.

    As far as talking to conservatives goes, I've been talking to them for a long time, including most of my relatives back in the South. One person I know would probably say it wasn't so much that he doesn't want to read about change as it is that he just thinks the whole genre is silly/childish. I've never got that from anyone on the left, although I'm sure they exist. Are most conservatives just too serious for the genre today--regardless of the political content?

    I like the Chesterton quote. I wish I'd known that when I was at Amazon. I constantly had to tell people, "If there's a policy that seems to make no sense to you, you can't just change it. You need to understand why it's that way. Otherwise, you will learn why after you make the change, and it will be to your sorrow."

    So in the most general terms, would you say the problem is that your conservative friends who are willing to give SF/F a chance are put off because they find too many things in the stories that break their suspension of disbelief? That one is tricker, since, on the one hand, I've had conservative Christian friends who wouldn't read fantasy because those stories have false gods in them, but I've had others who said, sure, they didn't care for the gods in the stories, but you had to be able to suspend disbelief if you wanted to enjoy them. Likewise, lots of liberals talk about how they can't enjoy rereading older stories they once loved because now the see racism/sexism in them. (So I'm not sure conservatives have a harder time suspending disbelief; maybe you just feel you're being asked to do it too much?)

    I think some concrete examples might make it easier to talk about. Do you have a few books in mind with elements that illustrate the problem?

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    1. Hello again! Thank you for engaging and, once again, being open to conversation. You've asked several good questions that warrant yet another post, so -- look for that some time on Friday (I've got some other things on the schedule before then).

      Anyway: Just wanted to check in so you don't think I'm ignoring you. ;)

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    2. No rush. I need to take time to write reviews for Rocket Stack Rank before our April 15 deadline anyway.

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  2. I appreciate your polite but firm response.

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  3. My great grandmother didn't approve of playing cards because it was gambling, even if you weren't gambling. And she didn't approve of theater at all because the actors are lying. (Lying for fun and profit!)

    I wouldn't consider her opinion typical even of her own generation.

    And yet I've met people my own age who felt that reading fiction wasn't a worthy use of their time. Or, I've met one person who said so, nearly 30 years ago. The idea of trying to keep your mind only on things that nurture you spiritually and away from distractions isn't that particularly odd. It's also not really a personality trait of conservatism as people who do this are going against culture in rather dramatic ways.

    It seems more likely these days that the bad thoughts that people are told they must avoid are what they must avoid to be woke, not godly. The books withdrawn from publication for revision for thought crimes aren't withdrawn because "liberals" are open to new ideas but that they need no one else to be led astray.

    Quite seriously, this is on the level of my great grandmother's notions about card playing and theater.

    In either case (and I include the woke sorts) the people who worry about this are extreme minorities. In general terms there is simply not any resistance to speculative fiction among conservatives. We play fantasy MMORPGs and FPS and D&D as much as anyone else does. We have the whole Marvel Universe movie line up in Blue Ray on our media shelf.

    But if editors do not believe that market exists, they aren't going to buy books to meet that market. Just as if editors are convinced that boys don't read, they won't buy books that boys like to read.

    Arguing that editors perfectly understand the market isn't supportable.

    And as for the "suspension of disbelief", Greg, we believe in *GOD*. Suspending our disbelief is not a problem. It's just not.

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  4. First Right Geek I apologize in advance if this transgresses any limitations you may have on religious discussion in your comments, but given the subject matter I felt compelled to reply.

    So being myself an evangelical baptist that is fairly conservative in my beliefs I would say orthodox Christianity is not incompatible with science fiction or fantasy. There are some things to think about when reading either. For example MANY SciFi authors are opposed to religion. However, that can be said of many authors after the mid 19th century. For example I suspect "literature" such as "The Last Temptation of Christ" can be read both in ways healthy for a Christian and unhealthy. Similarly one might take issue with clearly atheistic Scifi such as "Childood's End" but can still learn from the source and find the story compelling in a variety of ways. Any media we consume as Christians must be viewed with caution and some things of a prurient nature are best shunned.
    As Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6 v12 (again NET version) “All things are lawful for me” —but not everything is beneficial. “All things are lawful for me” —but I will not be controlled by anything.

    This is not to say all strains of orthodox Christianity will be comfortable with Scifi/Fantasy. In particular a person with a more literal interpretation of Creation (Young earth i.e. 7 day creation) might find issues with science in general particularly Astronomy and certain parts of Biology which will be assumed in much of SciFi particularly the hard side of the aisle. Fantasy particularly more dark sexualized fantasy with for example vampires would not be appropriate fare for most Christians. And for younger children parents might find some fantasy which involves other gods or goddesses unsuitable until they have a stronger understanding of things, but that is true of much childrens literature. I would NOT hand "His Dark Materials" or similar to any young Christian as it to some degree is an anti Christian Polemic, kind of like an anti-Narnia.

    Finally Using the second coming as an excuse for not liking Scfi is an odd legalistic reason which assumes that that event is extremely imminent. However one should note that even the Jesus himself said (Mathew 24:36-44 this is 36a from NET translation) "But as for that day and hour no one knows it—not even the angels in heaven—except the Father alone." That event could be 5 minutes after I post this or 50 millennia hence. To claim otherwise either says one is a prophet (and if you are wrong you're yet another false prophet like has happened throughout history) or have immense hubris to claim you know something even Jesus did not claim to know in his bodily incarnation.

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  5. @Synova
    It's not so much a matter of not knowing a market exists, as it is in feeling said market is not "worthy" of being served. The reason why the whole Galaxy's Edge thing (the incredibly successful book series, not the not so successful theme park) happened in indie publishing and not trad publishin is because it represented a market that trad publishers found icky. Everywhere you look, literary science fiction "fandom" is doing it's best to become more selective and exclude anyone to the right of Mao. So yeah, conservatives as a whole are still very much interested in literary SF, it's just that those self appointed gate keepers of literary SF aren't in conservatives.

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    1. My favorite example from years and years ago, back when usenet was new, is Lois Bujold on a group of fans and her *fans* who read the Miles Vorkosigan books and who ALL found themselves and ideas that they could relate to in those books. Those people ranged from religious conservative military sorts to what we'd probably call feminazis. Because what she was writing was people who behaved like *people* behave. She thought it through and went where her world and the characters took her. It wasn't always a good place, but it was always a REAL place.

      Too many stories these days seem to take SIDES.

      And yes, there's a huge swath of the genre that is simply off limits, at least for most traditional publishers. Or at least it certainly seems so!

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